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Buyer beware!
Date: Feb 23, 2010,09:38 AM - (view entire thread)
The modern watch world is not immune to fake watches: where ever a buck is to be made, someone is going to try to make it, and faking rare vintage watches (beyond Rolex) is now not uncommon. Yesterday a Patrizzi Auction catalog arrived on my porch and I went right to looking at the VC's up for bid. Lot 70 is a triple calendar "Cioccolatone," Reference 4764. Clean, legitimate examples can easily be worth $100,000. I wouldn't pay $1 for this example.
There is so much that is wrong with the watch that I almost don't know where to start. VC had long stopped using bi-metallic balance wheels by the time this reference came out. No VC wristwatch from the 50's has a gilt finish. The moonphase looks wrong. The date pointer extends well beyond the date.
I contacted VC with the movement and case serial numbers and got confirmation that they were not born together. The case and movement may well be legitimate VC parts, but they didn't come from the factory this way.
I hope and expect Patizzi to withdraw this lot from the sale. While Patrizzi has a "Five Year's Warranty Of Authenticity" (section 28 in their "Conditions of Sale"), I would not want to test them on what they mean by "complete counterfeit."
If you are considering a vintage VC worth more than $10,000, I strongly suggest that the transaction be contingent on VC issuing a Certificate of Authenticity.
Bill
This message has been edited by WHL on 2010-02-23 12:33:17
- Main Post: Buyer beware! WHL (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-09:38
- yikes! good eye, I agree with you that a certificate of authenticity should be the alex (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-09:56
- Great catch, Bill tick-talk (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-12:53
- I totally agree with you... Berny (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-14:21
- I thhik Vc and auction houses should reach some kind of agreement where each VC alex (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-14:26
- VC certificate is expensive but goes beyond what Patek offers Talleyrand (registered) on February 28th, 2010-13:49
- A VC Perpetual?? sanro (registered) on March 4th, 2010-16:56
- Thanks for the warning, and must I add that I'm very surprised amanico (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-14:25
- I agree, its really shocking this type of franken got to the auction catalog dshao1 (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-21:52
- Amazing catch, Bill! dxboon (registered) on February 23rd, 2010-22:52
- I left a message with someone at Patrizzi.... WHL (registered) on February 24th, 2010-08:24
- I'm curious to know how they respond... patrick_y (registered) on February 24th, 2010-22:36
- Remember: Auction house is selling for someone Robert Carrigan (registered) on February 25th, 2010-04:06
- A few years ago... amanico (registered) on February 25th, 2010-14:48
- Thanks Bill. [nt] CaliforniaJed (registered) on February 24th, 2010-20:44
- Never really trusted those auction experts... patrick_y (registered) on February 24th, 2010-22:30
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