Vacheron Constantin's Christian Selmoni on Watch Hands

Feb 28, 2015,19:03 PM
 

Back in November Purist participant Tiggermelad had a question about the length of the hour hand in two models from the Traditionnelle family. He noticed that with some Traditinonelle models, like the manual winding reference 82172,  the hour hand is shorter in relative terms than on the the self-winding reference 43075.





I asked Chistian Selmoni, Vacheron Constantin’s Artistic Director, about what elements go in to designing the hands for a watch and he gave me a thoughtful reply, which I post below in blue text. The length of the hands is just one element that goes into making a successful watch design, and the creators have to take many factors into account in order to bring off a harmonious combination that is pleasing to the eye.

 

-          The 1st hand to be designed is the minute-hand. Its length is determined by the position of the minute-track. Ideally speaking, the minute-hand should arrive in the middle of the minute-track zone.



Close up of the Jubile 1755 dial and hands



-          When there is no minute-track, well…. we imagine it and so we determine the optimal length of the minute-hand; it must also aesthetically match, in such situation, with length of the indexes or numerals



Patrimony 81180



-          Then, we determine the length of the hour-hand. For us, we don’t have an exact rule to determine its length. Our “in-house rule” is that the length of the hour-hand must be between 2/3 and ¾ of the minute-hand’s length.


-          In certain cases, the hour-hand can be shorter, especially when indexes are too thick for the adjustment of the hour-hand - meaning it wouldn’t be possible for this hand to be above the indexes. In such case, the length of the hour-hand will be adjusted to arrive just “in front” of the lowest part of the index.  

 

Like with so many aspects of watch design, determining the length of the hands is about striking the right balance between all the elements that are incorporated into the design. I find that Vacheron Constantin consistently gets these details right in their watches, especially the simplest of them, where any flaw in concept or execution of the watch will stand out in a negative way.





Historiques 1955, with no minute track


This topic did get me to thinking about why I have never actually gone through with purchasing form cased watches like the Historiques Aronde 1954 or Toledo 1951 where the dials are not round, as much as I like the watches and all that they do well:







It might be because I have an subliminal problem with the variation in the length of the hands relative to the hour markers and minute tracks, and becomes unbalanced to me eyes. Perhaps I should just get one and get over it. smile I would love to hear the thoughts of owners who have both round and form Vacheron Constantin watches on whether such things ever cross their minds.


Bill



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Well Bill, it is a problem I face as well...

 
 By: 4Js : March 1st, 2015-04:41
But it has not stopped me from getting a host of form watches! The anal side of me means I have to set the time on the 15/45's or close to it. Then, I am certain to hit the exact alignment. Mr. Selmoni's rules apply perfectly at those times! I must be one... 

Interesting post, Bill

 
 By: respo : March 1st, 2015-08:36
Thank you for relaying M. Selmoni's comments on the art of the hands. This only one of the details of a watch that VC more often than gets just right, IMHO. Seeing the 82172 and the 43075 side by side illustrates several things very well. The difference i...  

Respo, as you know I have a big hard drive!

 
 By: 4Js : March 1st, 2015-10:54
Peter took such a fab photo. I like to keep it very handy Joe ...  

Yes, Joe!!!

 
 By: respo : March 2nd, 2015-05:21
That is a great photo of one of my favorite pairs in all of Watchdom. For some reason, I tend to think of VCs in pairs even within my own collection. I should do a post on that theme one of these days. One of my little dreams is to own both the 1955 and t... 

Such wonderful eye candy

 
 By: Tick Talk : March 2nd, 2015-09:26
Robert, that 1972 dial pattern is absolutely mesmerizing. Lovely watches in this thread, a real treat to view. So here is a comparison of a couple of vintage form watches, ref. 4108 and 4166 from the 50s. Seems the length of the hour hands were designed/c...  

Awesome post

 
 By: jtodd : March 2nd, 2015-21:22
Thanks for sharing Mr Selmoni's words. Very interesting. You also sparked the forum to to post some lovely photos. One of the things I love is looking at the overall proportions and designs of numerous pieces - especially over time. It is remarkable that ... 

Thank you for that.

 
 By: Tiggermelad : March 18th, 2015-03:37
I had quite forgotten that post! I take it as given that the minute hand should reach the minute markers, and note Mr Selmoni's comment about the hour hand almost reaching the hour marker which to me certainly helps to make a watch look "right". (Rolex pl...