I sense an agenda

Dec 29, 2014,10:35 AM
 

but what's wrong with that?  You've devoted some thought and effort to the issue, obviously for a purpose, ie, agenda.  I'm not bothered, that is what forums are about IMHO.  I can both agree and disagree with your comments/observations...


In the auto business, they devote a lot of attention to NVH (Noise Vibration Harshness) as a subjective component of the customer's decision to purchase.  The targets change over the years and currently they have sound engineers fiddling with the exhaust to create just the right sounds.  They've done similar engineering with steering wheel feedback, road noise, etc., etc., even to change the NVH value of a component shared between models to suit sporty or luxury pretensions.  This is all contrived and not related to actual performance.  I view your comments about the feel of the winding mechanism in the same light.  I have watches that feel stiff, and others that feel silky, while some let you know every click of the ratchet wheel.  Performance is what counts; reliability and accuracy.  

With regards to performance, I would rage alongside you about the unreliability you've experienced with your watch.  3X in for service and you are left without confidence in the reliability of this very expensive watch.  Damn right you should be heard!  If you have access to the 1994 Antiquorum auction catalog, The Art of Vacheron Constantin, you may be slightly amused to read that the salesman Francois Constantin back in 1820 was constantly communicating back to the factory the need to improve reliability as this was the foremost complaint of his customers.  "Do better if possible, and that is always possible".  Makes a nice slogan but until VC comes up with customer service performance guarantees, it remains a slogan.  Another favorite of mine from the savvy Mr. Constantin in 1821 while in Italy: "let us concentrate on reliability, for these splendid watchmakers have no taste for a fine watch that stops; they prefer an ordinary one which does not stop".

Keep in mind, the Geneva Seal criteria ends once the watch leaves the factory and, like COSC, provides no guarantees to the customer.

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Thoughts on the VC Patrimony world time and luxury watches in general.

 
 By: docsnov : December 28th, 2014-14:00
Greetings to anyone reading this and I hope everyone had a great Christmas holiday. I am fortunate to have a rainy Sunday with not much to do but relax and watch American and the other type of football and muse on watches. I wanted to preface this post wi...  

I can't help but it is a nice feedback

 
 By: Mark in Paris : December 28th, 2014-14:20
I understand the kind of feeling you have with your watch (very low resistance while winding or setting the time). I must say my 1815 Lange was a little bit the same (maybe a bit less than you from what I feel in your post) but I must say it was a feeling... 

Another alternative..

 
 By: Fjan : December 28th, 2014-23:38
Mont-Blanc introduced a similar watch to the VC WT with the day night shading at only a fraction of the price... Then again.. VC will always be a VC.. I am so sorry to hear the realiability issues you are experiencing. I personally never own a VC before. ... 

I sense an agenda

 
 By: Tick Talk : December 29th, 2014-10:35
but what's wrong with that? You've devoted some thought and effort to the issue, obviously for a purpose, ie, agenda. I'm not bothered, that is what forums are about IMHO. I can both agree and disagree with your comments/observations... In the auto busine... 

speaking of customer service

 
 By: Tick Talk : December 29th, 2014-10:51
I've been saving this photo found in Antiquorum's database for such a discussion. It would go some way to lessening the inconvenience of losing your watch to extended warranty service if the brands were to return to the practice of providing loaners like ...  

Thanks for your response

 
 By: docsnov : December 29th, 2014-16:30
when I said I did not have an agenda I was meaning I was not on a VC witch hunt or bashing them as an overall company. Their customer service in response and turn around time for fixing the watch have been fantastic. They have also not charged me for watc... 

I guess I can consider myself a VC lover

 
 By: 4Js : December 29th, 2014-19:32
Given I own 11 of them. And covet several others. But I absolutely understand your comments. I have pieces that perform as you have described. I have found that the 1120 movements and the Lemania movements have performed the best. I like how they wind and... 

seeking for perfection..

 
 By: Fjan : December 29th, 2014-20:30
G'day Joe.. I personally too find the Zeitwerk exceptional in design and refinement and craftsmanship. I went into ALS boutique twice with full intention to buy. However, when I was playing with the watch and trying the watch on, the small "pre-movement" ... 

Yes, the quirk of the Zeitwerk

 
 By: 4Js : December 30th, 2014-04:18
My first experience with a Zeitwerk was at a watchtime event at the Lange booth. At the time Lange did not have a local boutique. And ADs did not have any stock of the watch. I tried on the phantom, which was a love at first sight event. It was dark in th... 

Joe, your comments remind me of

 
 By: Tick Talk : December 29th, 2014-22:17
the words of a great horologist I had the pleasure of meeting a few years back; Demetrio Cabiddu of Minvera. In the spirit of Purists, I asked him for a response to the occasional criticisms he may receive about quality control. His reply, like yours, was... 

Hello, docsnov

 
 By: yesjb : December 30th, 2014-06:50
I too have a WT in rose gold and find it an exceptional piece. I have never had any problems with it and given your history must consider myself fortunate. But hopefully your problems are behind you and the watch will give you years of pleasure. I wouldn'... 

Thank you for your thoughts on your watches, Stewart....

 
 By: WHL : January 3rd, 2015-12:44
I have owned more than a few watches from Vacheron Constantin, and have had a variety of experiences with how they feel in terms of winding feels in particular. In general, I have always preferred the feel of the manual winding watches over the automatics... 

Hi, Stewart,

 
 By: joenghenry : January 11th, 2015-05:41
I have similar feeling as you when winding the watch with the crown at position 0. The feeling of winding is very light. Regarding adjusting the time at position 2, the minute hand indeed felt not very sturdy. I guess it has something to do with the 37 ti...  

I wouldn't keep it....

 
 By: christianch : February 1st, 2015-10:30
As others said you could probably live with these issues but why settle for a watch with so many annoyances ? Do you have an option to give it back to the AD ? I think that - at this price point and in luxury - you shouldn't accept these faults unless all...