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Fleabay Alert
OK, the silly price tag on this item will likely prevent a sale, but still...
If genuine, this would be the one and only T-Bird without date, but there are also problems with the movement rotor and case back engraving. Smaller point; the seconds counterpoise is wrong.
It takes a little more digging to find this out, but the serial numbers are out of sequence with production Ref 6782 watches.
Actually, I have to take back my comment about the "one and only", as Crott once listed another fake T-Bird (with cal. 1019 auto) that actually sold even though they were informed of the problem beforehand by collectors and VC! However, I cannot say if the purchaser discovered the truth and was able to return it, so I only present this as an example that one must check even those watches presented through reputable sources.
Actually, I have to take back my comment about the "one and only", as Crott once listed another fake T-Bird (with cal. 1019 auto) that actually sold even though they were informed of the problem beforehand by collectors and VC! However, I cannot say if the purchaser discovered the truth and was able to return it, so I only present this as an example that one must check even those watches presented through reputable sources.
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Fleabay Alert
OK, the silly price tag on this item will likely prevent a sale, but still... If genuine, this would be the one and only T-Bird without date, but there are also problems with the movement rotor and case back engraving. Smaller point; the seconds counterpo...
Thanks for doing the analysis on this one, Dean
I had looked at this listing myself and came to the same conclusion -- maybe I am getting better at this game. :-D I also did my due diligence on a Chronometre Royal recently -- and boy, am I glad I did! It is dangerous out there. Best, respo
Maybe you can share the CR
would be interesting to see that one Robert, if there was something particularly tricky to it.
Thre is not much to share, but...
...but I checked the case and movement numbers with VC and the numbers do not match their records. So for me, case closed. The listing is for a purportedly ref. 4838 is still up on Fleabay (interesting, too, because I could have sworn that it was marked s...
Thank you again for the fraud alerts...
and another example of why buyers need to beware. Bill
True words Bill, beware and
be educated. I feel badly for those that don't know the resource that long-standing forums provide to assist with researching the vintage market. V&C seems overly susceptible to fakers and fraudsters, in no small part to a lack of published material.
I don't think its a great idea to buy a watch
on the web, but I would NEVER buy a vintage watch online. If I would consider an online purchase it is much harder to sell a counterfeit new model IMO, unless someone posts pictures of the real deal and then sends something completely different. It is jus...
Dissuasion is not my intention...
I appreciate your sentiments but not everyone, myself included, has access to other sources than the internet for vintage collecting. I've never intended these Alerts to scare people away from internet-based deals, only to warn of the fakes and frankens. ...
I have bought a number of watches on the internet
They have all been advertised as new models that have never been worn being sold by unauthorized dealers, i.e. grey market. Before I formed a relationship with our VC moderator I had no other avenue to purchase watches without traveling to bigger cities. ...
