Thank you again for the fraud alerts...

Jul 28, 2014,11:42 AM
 

and another example of why buyers need to beware.

Bill

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Fleabay Alert

 
 By: Tick Talk : July 27th, 2014-15:54
OK, the silly price tag on this item will likely prevent a sale, but still... If genuine, this would be the one and only T-Bird without date, but there are also problems with the movement rotor and case back engraving. Smaller point; the seconds counterpo...  

Thanks for doing the analysis on this one, Dean

 
 By: respo : July 28th, 2014-09:22
I had looked at this listing myself and came to the same conclusion -- maybe I am getting better at this game. :-D I also did my due diligence on a Chronometre Royal recently -- and boy, am I glad I did! It is dangerous out there. Best, respo

Maybe you can share the CR

 
 By: Tick Talk : July 28th, 2014-15:29
would be interesting to see that one Robert, if there was something particularly tricky to it.

Thre is not much to share, but...

 
 By: respo : July 29th, 2014-06:07
...but I checked the case and movement numbers with VC and the numbers do not match their records. So for me, case closed. The listing is for a purportedly ref. 4838 is still up on Fleabay (interesting, too, because I could have sworn that it was marked s... 

Thank you again for the fraud alerts...

 
 By: WHL : July 28th, 2014-11:42
and another example of why buyers need to beware. Bill

True words Bill, beware and

 
 By: Tick Talk : July 28th, 2014-15:36
be educated. I feel badly for those that don't know the resource that long-standing forums provide to assist with researching the vintage market. V&C seems overly susceptible to fakers and fraudsters, in no small part to a lack of published material.

I don't think its a great idea to buy a watch

 
 By: docsnov : July 29th, 2014-15:35
on the web, but I would NEVER buy a vintage watch online. If I would consider an online purchase it is much harder to sell a counterfeit new model IMO, unless someone posts pictures of the real deal and then sends something completely different. It is jus... 

Dissuasion is not my intention...

 
 By: Tick Talk : August 6th, 2014-08:29
I appreciate your sentiments but not everyone, myself included, has access to other sources than the internet for vintage collecting. I've never intended these Alerts to scare people away from internet-based deals, only to warn of the fakes and frankens. ... 

I have bought a number of watches on the internet

 
 By: docsnov : August 6th, 2014-10:06
They have all been advertised as new models that have never been worn being sold by unauthorized dealers, i.e. grey market. Before I formed a relationship with our VC moderator I had no other avenue to purchase watches without traveling to bigger cities. ...